posted 02-08-2000 01:34 PM         

It's about time you grew up and did something to throw a small wrench into peoples otherwise good day.

Now insult some people on their choice of lifestyle, and you've got it.

posted 02-08-2000 02:13 PM         

Android, if we ever meet you can know for yourself. I like guys with long hair.

DF, I really was kidding.

posted 02-08-2000 03:42 PM         

I apologize to the Hive. I apologize to the staff. I apologize to the membership. Most importantly, I apologize to myself.

posted 02-08-2000 05:54 PM         

-shitball-

posted 02-08-2000 10:10 PM         

Droid: Sorry fella, but you were locking way too many threads.

posted 02-08-2000 10:35 PM         

JUST IN TIME!

I was busy for more then 5 hours to construct a reasonable defence in the infamous "Moderator versus Moderator" case.Luckily, just before posting a more then venomous , loaded with American slang strong-words, reply, I stumbled over this thread, in the process of gathering evidence.
The quick and faithfull reply of my opponent regarding the admonishing words from one of the higher echelons has softened my rage apparently, but :
To have my part of the defence also written in the public registers of the Hive, I will as a last geste post this extremely softened version of my earlier written defence.
I think he can live with that now, he's hardened and toughend in the battle, and can more objective listen to my words, I hope. (Perhaps there comes ever a gathering of equal souls, and I could show him the non-censored version, but he must be in a real good mood then, or accidents still could happen)

So, Android, here it comes:
Don't take to much offence at the first part, you showed allready a good part of selfcritique, just keep up the good work. If here and there some harsh words eluded my attention, please add them then to the momentarily balance of --AN---> versus <---LT-- abusive language. The balance is now >10 : 0.

The Evolution of a mild Paranoia:
http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003412.html What the f*@#% is this?
http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003397.html What's Wrong With This Place?
http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003399.html Posts
http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003411.html Wut da fuk?
http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003420.html Talking trash
http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003419.html Posting t(w)o(o)
This probably triggered the first signs of defensive denial, which is btw a normal development.
http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003393.html Presumed Pillaging of Patriarchal Posts
This one as a reference to one of the others, and for it's intrinsic humoresque value.
http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003418.html Cracking
This one cranked up the overall paranoid values, but only moderately small.
http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003422.html Android + Drummer Dude !!! Attention.
[b]This was the main event of the evening, triggering all sorts of defensive systems, no room obviously for any self-critique in the short term.[b]

List of solely defensive reactive behavior, no meditation period allowed :

I...Stage one: http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003421.html STRIKE: I wont to downloud the HIVE, or by a CD
http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003423.html Strike, and ALL of you, read this!
http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003435.html MDA vs. MDMA
Still no sign of rational behavior, instead of locking, moving could be used.
http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003432.html She looks even better with the red felt cloth
Same story, interesting topic, locked.
http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003416.html how do drugs work
Same story, mud slinging starts.

Exerts by mud slinging, basicly neanderthalic behavior, note that during the initial stages, and till now, not one "muddy" word is used by opponent.

II...Stage two:
1. Android
PimpBee posted 02-08-2000 12:46 PM
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Until, told otherwise by a Pimp Master, (Please read that word carefully, LaB Fitz Slap) I'm closin' these fuckers.

2. Android
PimpBee posted 02-08-2000 03:33 PM
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Ok, that's it, LaBTop! I LOVE YOU, and I don't care what you say about me, or how many other names you may, or may not be registered under!
I apologize for my part in our public bickering! I hope all is well between us. It is for me, and any future negative comments from you about me, I promise to ignore quietly.
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Android

3. http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum8/HTML/003424.html Pagin Spitball
This intermezzo holds in it a possible explanation for the shown behavior, and a clear example of misfit selfmedication.

4. Android
PimpBee posted 02-08-2000 12:12 PM
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Yeah, it's Jam Central, Lab Fitz Slap, so what?

Dick Fitzbetter
Hive Bee posted 02-08-2000 01:27 PM
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LaBTop is completely un-related to the split-personalitized bee commonly known as Dick-Slap. LaBTop is a much kinder, gentler bee. He makes you feel good about yourself. He chides you gently. He values your self-esteem
Dick-Slap, on the other hand, makes you cry (need a hankie?). Dick-Slap's only saving grace is that he's so damned good-looking, and he was gifted with a very large penis.

Go get some sleep And-rhoid. The paranoia will pass.

Android
PimpBee posted 02-08-2000 02:40 PM
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Nice try, Licks Dickbetter!

======================================================================ETCETERA.

posted 02-08-2000 10:51 PM         

Besides, I was here before both these clowns.

To paraphrase that dumb fuck noise creator(you know who I'm talking about--it's not anyone here) Juice keeding.

posted 02-08-2000 10:56 PM         

...drop the locks and walk back towards the light...the lighter side anyway

posted 02-08-2000 10:58 PM         

I just wanted you all to be clear on what I won't do when you appoint me moderator status, ya know?

posted 02-08-2000 11:00 PM         

So, now its enough, you now pissed me off enormously.
Your whole behavior asks for it.
Get yourself some minimal manners, dignity, consideration for any other thoughts then your[censored] , defensive ecclesiastical heritage.[censor: I left it in, sounds so nice Gregorian]

A [censored]man who can not even bear the friendliest form of normal, everyday criticism, has some major[censored] character problems.
I gave you about one day to[censored] cool down and try to evaluate the bare facts I gave you to consider.
I'll repeat the facts for you,[censored] and the rest of the readers, now however a bit more fundamental:

History: The Hive is a chemistry board. A very complicated one, and fairly, to utterly dangerous, for those people who involve themselves in the practical implementation of the proposed methods.
In the early youth of the Internet, and that was far before you even knew that something like this excisted, we were a bunch of unknown, loosely connected people on the BBS's and communicated through messages posted on them. The danger was nonexcisting or neglectible. During the years we evolved through the pain in the ass that ADC was, into a compact group of people who understood fairly well the rules of safe communication and personal behavior, and Strike was just plain one of us, who was so lucky to find the first webhost, and later the Lycaeum, our present-day protection shield, without them we would have been hunted down long ago allready.
In the early days of the Hive, we were a selective, happy crowd of equaly gifted chemists and cooks, who shared their knowledge unconditionally, no money involved.
Then the repression started, and some of us left for the big money (and danger), but allways returned to our nest, the BBS's , ADC and the Hive. The present day situation is very dangerous, and we are more and more hunted for, by many repression groups, all over the world. We took or take enormous risks sometimes, to post here. Not only the law, but rivalry on the street and in your neighbourhood took its toll also. We lost in the last year more then fifty known and unknown members to that repression. Do you even understand what a 10 to 20 years imprissonment means for mostly happily married/living together people, with a good to excellent education, but inspired by the forbidden fruit of empathogenic drug research? Their loveones have from then on to live in poorness, they themselves have to addept to people in prison they didn't even know excisted at such a low humanitarian level, and their lifes are totally ruined, only because they had a dream, to make their own drugs, to ingest in their own body, their solely only real posession. Then slowly the Hive became popular, even famous in certain circles. Posting became even more dangerous, but what happened: a lot of non-chemists and drug (ab)users wanted to fill in their niche also, but tremendously irritated in that cancerous proces the old and new chemistry based members.
The solution found for that problem was the Couch, for those of us who can't or don't want to involve in the chemistry of drugs. And it proofed to be a good solution, with a lot of additional info from drug users and (former) abusers, and evolved in a humoresque gathering place for ALL of us, when we wanted to lay down our gear and relax between friends and enemies the same. But one rule was nearly unwritten, the non chemists didn't interfere in the chemistry forums, and posting supposed to be informative, humoresque and mainly socially acceptable. Uproar in the form of flames only gave us more insight in human nature and were mostly educational for all parties involved.
Then we saw the entrance of a new phenomenon, the really mean and out of hand going flame wars between plainly stubborn or physiological damaged characters, who could not stop flaming, perhaps even feeded by the use of the wrong drugs for the wrong person. But even some of those, we managed to calm down, and they post, now and then, interesting, informative stuff. The majority of us don't like that excessive behavior, and expressed that clearly, I seem to have a somewhat higher acceptation level for it.
However, there are borderlines, but all of the sudden there seems to be a defensive behavior from many of you, to express your reaL FEELINGS, and post them, positive or negative. Are you people all turned to the use of meth, K, or whatever, which has clearly a bad influence on your social habits, as the long time users will have to admit (use the search).
I know from several people that they got irritated by the on rampage going behavior through all forums, killing nearly instantly many threads. Go and take a look at some older, really good info, and look who is the last poster, mostly. For me it's a clear sign, that there is a seemingly social reaction here of misdemanor of such an insult of their conversation, clearly on a totally different level then the ongoing discussion, when suddenly some clown comes running in, lays his egg and speeds to the next thread, as if it's a uncontrollable need to be all over the board. We call this Fmaniacal behavior, but it is accepted through the years from only one person, who mostly talks chemistry gibberish.
The chemistry forums used to be more then one screen filling, for only two days postings, but now, go and take a look at a period of any month, in two days spaces. There will be an influence from the disappeared, busted chemists and cooks, but it can not be so dammed big. There is a irritation quotient involved.
Is this really the path you want to go?
If you could stay in the Couch, be the local clown there, and slow down on posting, it would be a lot less irritating.
Let the population there worry about flooding of threads, not my business. But stay out of the Chemistry forums, unless you have something constructive to say. They will not be cancered by smarty nittwittical nonsense, and slowly killed. That's what the Couch is for, clearly.
The main problem there is perhaps, that we have to wade nowadays through screen-meters of AOL/ADC nonsense, until we find a worthwhile subject, but even that is smeared with oneliners and offtopic crab. And lots of people start to think it's trendy and follow your example, that's the scary thing about it. Someone had to say it, and I do.
PS: did you ever notice the MOVE button, complete computer [censored], then you can Move the thread instead of Locking it, to the (in your eyes) appropriate forum.
PPS: any competent Administrator can tell you that I only have ever used two usernames, use the search,[censored]. (mud follows mud, a evolutionairy event)

Notes, for those who care:
Why in public, you ask yourself?
Because the existence of dark, unreachable, elitorial processes let my balls thrink from abhorrence, it has had that effect on me all my life, there's only one remedy, openness, so you can all evaluate the streams of thoughts from each opponent during a difference of opinions.
I hate elitorial, authoritative behavior, it's a breeding ground for political misfitts, and by the way, aqua girl, I can addept to every given situation, can disappear in every level of society, from low to high. I also have no respect for authority, only for quality! There is no pope for the masses here, we want to educate all, for me you'r all equal, when you enter chemistry here, as a young puppy, asking for attention, I'll give it to anyone, no discrimination. There will be the average crabby and happy days for me as if there are for you all. But a real bee will develop, and earn its wings, and start educating others, him/herself, look at the Newbee forum, it's happening allready, they HELP eachother, and see the real JOY there!
If I bring this to the Tent, there would have been the same reaction, but unseen by you all. And in future, you should have allways wondered what that irritation allways was/is between two people. And this subject is not a moderator/moderator one, but a member/member one. And it affects you all. There will be anti and pro sides, so what: thats healthy and normal, and we can enjoy the ongoing debate from both eyesights.
And if it turns out that the majority of the CHEMISTS have no problems with this behavior, then open the floodgates.

Thank you for your kind attention, or indisputable abhorrence, round three please. LT/
PS: save me the oneliners, for gods sake (And that from an atheist). Some intelligent remarks will be appreciated.
And I'm NOT sorry.

-Member to members end.-

Can I put on the fuckin heavy robe again, or any authority has objections? Would like to hear them then!

Well, we saw the Man rising from the ashes of a hurt personality, I wish him luck in that snake pitt, called Couch, he'll need it. Forgotten and Forgiven, where's the KEG ?
LT/

posted 02-08-2000 11:13 PM         

...want a valium.. ..one athiest to another

PS....DUDE!!!..your sick...

posted 02-08-2000 11:53 PM         

A story and a lesson in Social Engineering

Pull up a chair here my young Android, don't get frustrated, we know your trying to do a good job, and you are/will or something like that. Let me help you out with some history here about our Couch, me, Strike, Rhodium, Spitball, and you.

A long long time ago, back before you were born or even before the better half of what you should have become ran down your mothers leg, we had this guy named hey_man. Im going to start my story around this guy named hey_man since he's the character in this story I am the most familuar with.

Comfortable? get your self a beer, crush yourself up a nice fat line and kick your feet up on your desk so you wont interupt the story as I recall it here. The majority of this information was contained in your Hive Moderators Users manual, maybe you should have read it. Or at least the chapter I wrote titled "Better pimping techniques through the devine tactics of advanced social engineering". Feel free to bend page corners and highlite any text you see in the manual, that book is yours to keep.

Lets start all the way back when my main character here was only 16 yrs old. hey_man was your average American kid with a major chip on his shoulder. Growing up in a wealthy neighborhood with spoiled brat kids who learned early on the fine art of minor social engineering and talking their way out of any trouble they found them selves into. hey_man was unfortunate to have Jesus Freak extremists for parents however. So when all of hey_mans friends were out exploring the out bounds of life hey_man was forced to attend various religious functions of which he hated with extreme prejudice. All hey_man's fun friends went to the Public school system, hey_man was forced to attend Catholic Schools and all of his friends from school were scattered across probably a 75 mile radious, those living close were so extremely lame that their parents wouldn't allow them to hang with hey_man what so ever since hey_man always had a knack of finding trouble. It wasn't rebellion, since hey_man never wanted to get caught doing things, it was just a basic kid who discovered early on that all those things he wasn't supposed to do were a hell of a lot more fun than those he was supposed to be doing. Just prior to turning 16 hey_man decided he'd had his fill of this religious shit. This was after years of attempting to force it down his throat, parents always trying to convince hey_man about god, hey_man even as a young child debated the issue of the insanity behind this belief. Your talking about a kid who never believed in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, the tooth fairy yes, at least up untill he started doing Meth in heavy volumes and discovered she wasn't going to make this pay off.

Anyhow by hey_mans freshman year of High School he decided he was going to do everything he could to get kicked out of the only Catholic High School in the area. He worked hard at this, probably too hard, because the Dean of Boys developed a very strong hatred for hey_man, everyone there did. Those old school nuns were no match for his new school ways, many a wooden yardsticks were broken before he finaly hit paydirt. 2 days before the end of the year hey_man was expelled and told he would have to come back next year and repeat the year despite his passing grades. The dean of boys idea of paying hey_man back for a year of sheer hell. hey_mans parents not wanting a mark of him being held back a year oon the records enrolled him in the Public school system where they still had 2 more weeks alowing him to pass.

I've only told you this part of the story to serve as a reminder of what type of people we all are, this includes you or you would have long since found the atmosphere here so intollerable you wouldn't be here to day. Everyone here is of solid thinking, all making their own decissions based on their own methods of discovery. A well working mix of extremely rebellious personalities. When I set back at times and read the people here I find it outright amazing that we all work together as well as we do. What another may view as extreme chaos I see as a very well united harmony of beliefs and ideas. Impossible under typical social settings, yet so common here it is easily overlooked. Maybe the world should take a long look at what we have achieved here all in the name of freedom of speech. We have had people of such a wide spread diversity in backgrounds from all walks of life come, go, and stay here.

Jumping slightly ahead in this story, put pausing to refer you to page 1216 of your manual, please note where I mention how awareness of this mix has relivency in the decissions of the Pimpetuous (pimp-et`u-ous/ I made that word up myself) behavior. Some of that page was written directly from my early notes where I discovered the leading cause of people not uniting and getting along seemed to always stem from and directly point to those who so strongly wished to express only their own beliefs, and displayed an extreme intollerance of those who had beliefs dissimular to thier own. Hence the flammers and the intolerance I therefore have for this type of behavior.

These types of personalities have no place here. These are the people who wish to argue thier own points to such an extreme that they become blind to better ideas and advancement as humans. These people while feeling glorious in thier own behavior only momentarily, in time have evaporated and found more appropriate places to express their concepts of how things should be. These types of people have no place on the Internet and will only continue to find disappointment. If your new to the Internet, and at times I have reason to feel you are, we'll need to step along in my story here to further you along in your development as a young pimp, take pride in knowing your learning from the best, and no, Im not to proud to pat myself on the back since all of the information I share with you has been devolped to a science, from years of very careful and finely tuned observations and experimentation with predicted resaults, an important step often over looked by many beginners in any field of scientific study. yes Social Engineering is a science and an artform, a good pimp must excell in this art or he will find himself lost in turmoil and quickly parish.

Lets continue with our story of hey_man, moving up several years and skipping the parts of his life that still haven't fallen out of the statute of limitations which would explain in great detail just why hey_man ever happened across this site in particular. Some details will be shared because it is important that your familuar with the foot steps you've been chosen to follow in.

The Internet use to be a place filled with nothing but limitless information and people in search of always knowing more. It wasn't about pretty graphics or smileys, it was mostly made up of text files and in visual appearnce was very black and white. The color was expressed only in the mind which lead to very insiteful thought. Free thought, free ideas were abundant, people where to caught up in thought to waste their time bickering like children. Too many new people have flown through the ports of our world lacking this understanding. This we blame in large to Corporations only wishing to turn a buck like AOL. For it wasn't untill they opened the flood gates to all these fucking morons that the Internet started turning into a pile of shit and so fourth continues to worsen. Once the AOLers became abundant is when all the bickering began, too many people lacking in the understanding of thought and having nothing better to do than bitch whine and cry about items as trivial and meaningless as spelling.To many fucking morons who shouldn't be here in the first place, those that lack the basic understanding of how the Internet or a PC works and find them selves limited to barely being able to turn their PC on have no place here, by here I reference to the Internet.

Bitching about it would only place ones self within the same confinements as those we were bitching about, so instead the hacker of evil reputation became born. Finding all these jackasses to be extremely easy targets a branch of the original community soon formed openly and freely.

Yes these fucks soon found themselves victimized, and tormented. They learned that though no man or women was limited in being lent an ear based on their nationality, sex, or skin tone, conventional attempts to control the thinking of another human by conventional methods were in vein. The little momma's boy setting behind his keyboard thinking he was safe to pop off his mouth also not only learned the difference between DoS and DOS, but learned in many cases the very hard way that he's not as safe as he thinks. Granted, his lack of understanding in how the Internet works limited him in thinking no one was going to find out where he lived and knock on his door one day, and while this is still very much possible today just based on how the internet its self is lain out and was never designed to prevent this, it was also, and still is, easier to get young mommas boy in many other traditional ways. Ways like tacking on additional amounts to utitlity bills, credit card charges, intering data he's not even aware of in his credit records or GOV files. Spoofing with his IP address into illegal activities with enough of a trail left behind that it clearly looks as though he had performed such acts. Even the script kiddies have discovered how easy it is to shell through someone elses home computer to access another, thus delivering the IP address of the intended victim any place you so choose. The gov's lack of understanding in how all this works still to this day view this as a finger print left on the crime scene, attempts to proove otherwise can easily be limited, especially when files of guilt are left in the memory and written to disk unaware to the host at shut down. Data that easily can be overlooked and thought nothing of unless you happen to be an FBI investigator or smart enough in knowing how to either prevent such an attack, or recognize it happening so you can monitor and maintain that which you can not prevent.

I share this with you only to promote awarness in knowing that pissing the wrong person off can have less than desired outcome in a world here known as the Internet where one may inadvertantly feel they are safe from harms way. Some of us have been around for years, we have crossed paths with each other so many times that we have developed friendships, friendships that have been developed by sharing information throughout the years. Information that has given many of us a chance to do rather well in life in landing jobs at places like UUNET, International Banking, and even in GOV relative positions. Some have even helped others get thier jobs directly further insuring the bonds of friendship. My point being only that the further up the wire you go in a world connected by routers and hubs you begin to see just how small this world really is. It is then when you realize that one ounce of effort applied to establishing friendships with others out here is worth more than 1,000 lbs of effort applied in developing enimies.

You also learn that your safety net isnt as secure as you may of thought. While a GOV agency may be limited to thier abilities of deception private individuals are not. Any domain can be registered as being in any location and under any name. There is no method set forth towards positive identification. A proxy listed as being in the UK could very easily in reality be setting in my house right here in AZ. An attacker wishing to promote harm towards me may feel secure in thinking he's doing so from under a security blanket when in reality may just be going through another PC I maintain and can easily monitor his efforts both in and out of the proxy. Now the chances of this happening are very remote indeed. So lets talk a little further on the role Social Engineering further plays on the Internet. Lets say for example you have an attacker trying to render harm upon your system you log the originating IP only to trace it back very easily to a proxy. Hmmm we got ourselves a slick one here. Snifing packets going in and out of the proxy in anticipation of his next attempt by your assailant could be time consuming and require a truckload of hard drive space, not to mention years in putting the pieces together from just one days monitoring. But these pieces are already together and the data which you desire is maintained within the files of the proxy box its self. So your next step would be in obtaining access to the confines with in the given server. Remarkably enough, you find that just due to the nature of the server serving as a public proxy its own security isnt very well hardened at all, afterall, who would hack into a proxy server? What would they have to gain by this? None the less let us again presume our given proxy is well hardened. Not being confined by the limitations of a GOV agency we find that no rules apply. Being a well hardened system we determine traditional means of access aren't going to get us in in time to capture the data we desire in time before the logs are refreshed, so we must then rely on our second great skill, Social Engineering. A good story teller can prosper wealths of information easily cohersed out of a system adminisrtator, relying on a common weakness that all systems share, the fact that they are run by humans.

So where does this leave us at in our story? Hopefully with a basic touch on the insight that ones primary goal should be in obtaining friends. And that the goals of those who wish to contain the thoughts and ideas of another man through methods of traditional behavior do not apply here in. And while this may be a hard lesson to learn by some, all soon learn that developing as a community involves listening to ideas and thoughts that may either seem foriegn or even assnine to someone that hasn't taken the time to think beyond the limits of what they think they already know.

hey_man learned all this early on, and under a long since retired user name hey_man developed as a hacker and a noteable expert in the fine art of social engineering, had it not of been for a call to close with the law hey_man may have never retired from such behavior. Always having an attraction towards underground activity and forceably being thrown from a rein of terror hey_man found himself on a BBS chat type board called the Hive. The old user name was retired and a new was born, some say the user name that has since come to be known as hey_man was in reference to his last name, others feel this name had come to exist from years prior of people asking him questions and starting them with Hey man, how do I... this however lacks in importance. And one day the hand of Strike reached out and pulled hey_man into a world of more organization, a world that was single handedly maintained by one of the greatest men in understanding the complexities of all sciences combined. The name we see slowly fading as all eventualy do, the name of Rhodium.

And on hey_man's first post in this new world it was the fingers of Rhodium which typed out the first reply. A reply I remeber very well to this day, though I forget that which hey_man himself had written, Rhodiums reply was a very simple snap of sarcasim with "oh, please". As the months went on the General forum became overwhelmed with locks. Locks on my threads in trying to express importance in understanding individual needs of security and privacy for on line discussion of such nature. Rhodium also had a dislike for flames and hey_man soon learned that he could lock other peoples threads by just being a pain in the ass in the threads of those who expressed the logic of a common AOLer, Rhodium who seemed to be right behind me 24/7 was both hasty and abrupt with all those locks. I believe to this day, though this is uncabable of documenting, I held the record of having the most threads locked by a single user. And one day a lengthy expression of my feelings went out in regards to this. Pointing out the fact that what I was trying to share would have a great importance here, I had just witnessed the death of the true underground hacking community after endless round ups were made and the freedom to share knowledge became tightly monitored and organisations like CERT were formed. Laws were developed in early attempts to stop the shrareing of knowledge. All of this brought forth from the fears created by a lack of knowledge, and a Country where protecting yourself has long since passed to relying on others to do this for you.

And it was from this chaos that the hand of Rhodium developed a new seperate Forum. A forum without an immediate plan of topic content or even a name. A place where like minds would form within a melting pot of widespread ideas and further enhance the efforts of the overall community. In displaying his skills with in the art of Social Engineering and successfully riding the site from those that were limited by the common mind of an AOLer, those that lacked the ability to open thier minds, those who only wished to torment the thoughts of others, hey_man was given the task of monitoring this new Forum. And at first there were those who thought such a place should not exist. This handful of individuals soon found thier attempts to change this to be futile. One by one they slowly drifted away never to return, never to be missed...

posted 02-09-2000 01:20 AM         

I see we're gonna have to clear up some misconceptions.

I first got interested in this whole thing because of your post re: <paraphrased> "this place is going downhill because a few people are posting offtopic bullshit at an astonishing pace. go to sleep. take a shitload of downers. tweakers suck" (do us both a favor and lets not argue the specifics of this post. I'm too busy to argue semantics this evening. this was the gist).

Sure, I thought it was directed towards me. Afterall, I had been posting random nonsense for a day or two in the couch. I'm a known and admitted tweaker, and I've gotten flamed for my prolific posting style when I'm up. I'm also not exactly in full diplomatic mode here. I'm not hanging out here to win friends, and it should be obvious that I haven't won a whole lot. My social skills are highly refined, and in real life I play the charming role. I'm here figuring something out, and sometimes jumping to the couch to blow off a little steam is necessary.

You're preaching to the choir with this bee. I've been around in netspace for damn near forever. I've known stuff like this has existed for forever. BBS's? Certainly you're familiar with ISCA fame of old, largest netted BBS in the world (in the early days of course, when but a few had real net accounts). I implemented the recreational pharmaceutical and rec chemistry forums. I've been in ADC in various incarnations for about as long. I psychobabbled with POPeye. Saw the rise and fall of Eleusis, and other various psychodramas when it was a cohesive group before any monkey with a credit card could get in this place. Yeah, I can even poke myself around a Vax system. I see some elderbee names here that I recognise.

As far as real life. I too have been deeply in every major scene there was. I ran around with one of the mobile acid labs in the Dead days. Sat down with the white kid Rastafari gang that lives in hawaii growing dope, and then going on tour with rainbow, and looked at their growing techniques. I saw my friends go down with 32 kilos of meth in DesMoines indiana, and even knew some sap that blew up a hotel down the street with a fucked synth that made big headlines- this was long before the cranklab headline was chic. Wherever I go, I manage to be at the top of the dopeworld foodchain within days. I'm a dopemagnet. Hardly a skill possesed by those typical unrefined tweakers you hate. I was running the LSD trade in a large midwestern city from my dorm room, importing thousands and thousands on a weekly basis. I got tagged then on something stupid when greed split our little group. I got tagged by the DEA for my current cranksynth, felt the fear of thinking I was going to lose my house, and my husband and I were going to be apart for 12 years.

Don't assume that the Hive elders are the only ones to have been around since the days of jumping off your neighbors phoneline in the middle of the night to do your netdeeds because you thought you were so important that everyone was after you.

I don't give a rats ass about your fight with Android. I didnt jump in because I was insulted at your treatment of him. I jumped in because you snubbed my lifestyle and I thought it was rather snobbish of you . You didnt know it, and you werent directing it towards me- but you did it and you just did it again.

I'm curious as to how you deal with the cognitive dissonance that goes with typing the two lines in one post-

"I hate elitorial, authoritative behavior"

and

"Are you people all turned to the use of meth, K, or whatever, which has clearly a bad influence on your social habits, as the long time users will have to admit (use the search)."

It always amuses me when someone takes the stance that their lifestyle of choice, or drug of choice is nobler than others.

and this is where you get under my skin. I've been around the netspace scene for nearly as long as most of the elderbees. I've also gotten every bit, no- probably more, real life trench experience than the elderbees. I've got an education, own a house, have a husband I've been with for 7 years now. I make an obscene amount of money for the work I put in, and have the luxury of taking lots of time off to fuck around in here. Eventually my body will sag, and I'll fall back on that expensive Ivy Leagueish education. Maybe take out a bunch more student loans and grab some more degrees...

For every idiot tweaker you see or hear about, there are a bunch more old timers that have mastered the mindstate. In the old days (yeah, we had old days too) it was a tight community. You didnt get your first quarter gram from some guy at the highschool. Everyone took care of each other. You soon learned that the shadow people weren't real. That the cars following you werent there.. You get the picture. I actually turned to meth because LSD became boring to me. When you ingest a 4-5" visible line of lsd and don't hit some cool new plateu, the parties over.

So you see, while not a longtime chembee- I've done my time in the trenches and know a bit of what I'm talking about. I was always fascinated by the chemistry, and also by the peole. I didnt bother learning the chemistry over the years because there was no reason. I could get most anything I wanted nearly as cheap as I coulda made it. Newer times have brought different challenges though. I'm rather tired of risking my freedom to drive to some guys house that is going to sell me shit dope at a premium. I'm here to learn the craft so I don't have to deal with the more recent stuff that makes you chew holes through your toungue, and detracts from mental clarity because of peripheral effects. I'm here so I can cut ties with the underground community and get on with my real life. I'm tired of dealing with dealers. No offense to the dealers here. I'm also here to crack the smallscale OTC synth. After the bust from the redP buy, I think that I need a total OTC synth. but hey, why was I to think buying redP would get me busted? any time anyone started trying to discuss OTC sources of redP, the thread was locked and we were told to buy it. Another interesting elitist facet of the hive.

My social habits in real life is staying up for days at a time, reading and absorbing information... or having incredible sex with my husband. Not bang-bang sex. Sex that stimulates the mind. Sex that brings us closer together. Many of the older crankheads have similar interest. We aren't going to boobytrap a lab that doesnt exist yet. We aren't going to tinfoil the windows (you wear tinfoil hats for the real protection). We arent going to load guns. We aren't going to chainsaw our relatives heads off. We know the mindstate, and use it for a rather unique form of enlightenment, or at least self-exploration.

The same could be said of your drug of choice. It's created an irritating group of dipshit kids that wear dumb sunglasses in dark clubs. They think their above everyone else for some reason. A weird slice of young america. Also the group thats getting into slipping GHB into unsuspecting minors at the trendy bars, dateraping them, and leaving them to aspirate in their own vomit. Is this little club culture that lives for the best "rolls" so they have an excuse to dress up, go out, and strut a true reflection on Strike, and the elderbees? Of course not- but the argument could certainly be made.

Think twice before you bash anyone that uses a certain drug, and categorizing them by what you happen to be exposed to the most. I spent months lurking and running searches. I'm sure there are others out there doing the same right now, instead of popping in and asking 'how do I make speed'. Many of us are thorough and methodical in real life, not the freaky tweaker kids who you happen to think make up the whole scene because they're the ones you notice.

In short- I'm kinda miffed that you dare categorize everyone by the drug they do. I'm also dissapointed that you think the hive elderbees are the only ones who have been around and been real enough to know whats really up.

I'm of the POPeye strain of speedfreaks. Yeah, we might get loud and obnoxious, but we're otherwise good people to have around- and definately the type of people you want near you in a pinch- because we mean what we say, and we're loyal to the bitter end. Or, maybe you would classify POPeye and his generation as being in the same shallow mold that you just stuck every meth user into... I dunno....

posted 02-09-2000 01:32 AM         

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